pain and obito

Before you say “Well he never used any so it doesn’t count” he actually did use them. and no he won't get flash freezed by his presence cuz Obito can react to him and put Intangbility before he gets flashed freezed. Dude was fighting for hours in the war and was spamming abilities left and right. Kishimoto said that by chapter 16 he had conceived a storyline about Obito being an Uchiha and how it would affect Kakashi. Now I'll admit that Invel doesn't exactly have abundance of strength feats to work with, but even the few that he has and scaling is still better than anything you can give for Obito, as FT is generally and on average superior in physicals to Naruto. This ability itself is more than enough to one shot Invel. It should be clear that Haku is moving in light speed cuz it's basically light reflecting from mirrors. And has a better chance of avoiding it by using Kamui and being intangible or Whack A Mole jutsu. It's not any spark of Lava, it's a decent amount of Lava style that Sadara matched with just her Fireball jutsu. Then Obito goes and takes Nagato’s body and Rinnegan. And Obito was able to react to Minato no problem, as he was able to catch Minato's hand after Minato strikes Obito's face with a Kunai. He's strong enough to stop Gray's ice + physical attack with 1-arm, which is impressive as Gray can physically match Natsu blow to blow, and Natsu has strength feats like lifting 100+ ton rock in pre-time skip and crushed a small mountain by smacking a fodder to it. By the end of the episode, however, Naruto noticed that Obito might not be completely in tune with Madara, resisting some of the control. For example: Dimeria can slash blades with Kagura and Larcade can stop Kagura's attack with 2 fingers. Obito can also you the Chakra chains on top of Chakra rods to weaken the opponents control. Invel's own speed scales to his flash freeze, as he needs to have precise control over his abilities. Sharingan Genjutsu: What Molt failed to realise is that Obito's Sharingan is still a threat to Any FT character there is. Deva Path only: Itachi could win Obito… Inb4 “happy resist soul rip from Franmatlh so its useless” A fodder character like Franmalth won’t even come close to the likes of power to Obito’s, especially Rinnegan Obito’s. I feel like this deserves its own section and will be a big part of the debate. Obito and his varied personas have appeared in Naruto video games and animated adaptations. Aright so this section is the most important part if I want to actually debunk and disprove Molt's premise, and that is Invel flash freezing Obito before he could react. Meaning pre-time skip Gray's ice already reaches these temperatures and Invel's presence made a stronger version of him shiver, not to mention he was giving him frostbites. I’ll go over the AP of those Shurikens as we go on. [23][24] After retrieving Nagato's Rinnegan (輪廻眼, lit. Phasing through attacks is extremely bad for Pain. Whack A Mole jutsu: Obito uses this earth style justu to go anywhere he wants underground and go for a surprise attack. Naruto Uzumaki (うずまき ナルト, Uzumaki Naruto) adalah tokoh utama dalam serial Naruto.Dia adalah karakter pertama yang diciptakan oleh Kishimoto selama konsepsi seri, dan dibuat dengan banyak ciri dari karakter shōnen lainnya. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Meaning Obito would easily scale above light speed users. But honestly, it's not as fodder as People like Molt actually think. They are unable to touch each other until Minato gets the upper hand on Obito and has destroyed his White Zetsu arm. [4], According to Kishimoto, Konan's death at the hands of her former superior Obito was a statement about the loss of the dream for peace that he, Nagato, Yahiko, and Konan shared, and an indication of Naruto Uzumaki's rise as a bringer of light and hope. So I will prove you guys why Obito's reaction speed is far superior than Invel's Flash freeze. This will be very useful since he can actually catch Invel off guard pretty easily without much difficulty. Also proof Invel's physical AP scales to Dimaria's and Invel doesn't come close to Larcade. Nitrogen has a freezing point of -210C° and oxygen has freezing point of -218C°. Sharingan precog: Allows Obito to see moves in an advance way and can see it before coming. They begin to talk about the past and their beliefs on the war at hand and Obito mentions they were all on the same page. Obito has a dream to become Hokage. The only thing you can freeze in tornados would be the water droplets, dust and dirt in them. [50] Amy McNulty of Anime News Network praised the animation of Kakashi's fight against Obito and the references to the fighters' childhoods. [34] Naruto uses his power to restore Obito's life to help find Sasuke and fight Kaguya. Other than that if we are to assume DMS Obito doesn't have issues with his chakra reserves, Pain … With this power, the user is able to revive the dead, transmit their chakra into black receivers, and manifest chakra chains.One who wields the Rinnegan is said to exist outside the realm of life and death. [55] Chris Beveridge had mixed feelings about the treatment of Obito's death in the anime version; the narrative begins focusing on flashbacks and his childhood dreams (which had already been shown), neglecting the present fight against Kaguya. During his infiltration, he encounters Minato Namikaze(the fourth Hokage) and they begin to fight. In fact even just his Base 3 tomoe Sharingan is deadly enough. And Bijuu Dama's from Weaker Bijuus can easily reach up to island levels of DC. Obito Uchiha, also known by his iconic alias, Tobi, as well as the Masked Man, is the central antagonist of the Naruto franchise. And don't even think of Outlasting. Even saying said gases were frozen that's still a long way from AZ (this temperature literally stops all enthalpy and movement, literally nothing can happen at this temperature and it's impossible to achieve unless all movement in the whole universe was to stop, however some fictional verses have AZ that isn't scientifically accurate for the reason above but its assumed the AZ can ignore enthalpy in fiction). Konan thinking something different and lets him know that Naruto will be the one to stop him and bring light to the world after it's all over. [53] An ANN reviewer was shocked at the revelation that Tobi was Obito; since the character was the "most compassionate person", his grudge against the shinobi world (when Rin was killed by Kakashi) was criticized as out of character. Originally the CAV was meant to be Akatsuki vs Spriggan 12, but I don't do multi-character debates so we decided for Invel vs Obito. Obito Uchiha was one of the main antagonists in Naruto's second act and a man responsible for a series of world-altering events. [12][13] Late in Part II of the manga, it is revealed that Obito was saved by an elder named Madara Uchiha and outfitted with prosthetics. [1], During the series' first half Kishimoto introduced the Akatsuki terrorist organization, who seemed far stronger than the (younger) main characters. [11], Obito first appears in "Kakashi's Cronicas", a Naruto side story. [21] He presents himself as Madara after Nagato's death, revealing Project Tsukuyomi to the Kage and explaining his intention to become the Ten-Tails Jinchuriki to subjugate all life with the Infinite Tsukuyomi. He casually Blitzed Ay who was stated to be light speed. During the events of the 1st time-skip, Silver froze the Sun Village with his magic: The AoE can speak for itself; the mountain range, the town and its inhabitants (whom are giants) across the observable horizon have all been frozen. I'm not gonna go over the freezing points of each gas, so I'll take the first two: nitrogen and oxygen. This would be hella useful since in this battle he can see Invel's flash freeze coming at him beforehand. Unable to kill him, Obito then stabs Konan in her back while she is weak and off guard. Whereas it takes hours to actually deform stainless steel at 2450℉ (300° inferior than stainless steel melting point, that is 2750°), Injuring KCM Naruto>>>Injuring Base fatigued Gray who used lots of spells when fighting the alvarez military and has encountered God Serena before. [32][33] His defiance is short-lived, and he is comatose after Madara uses the eye he gave Kakashi to reach him and forcefully exchange left eyes. Konan unwilling to comply with Obito using her Jutsu to travel to the ocean where Obito then follows her, persistent in finding Nagato’s body. "Copy Wheel Eye", English manga: "Mirror Wheel Eye"), unique to the Uchiha clan. And I hope Molt knows that Obito scales above Haku as well. I'll have my post ready in about 2 weeks time. Other Spriggan members like Dimeria and Larcade have been shown to match and overpower Kagura in H2H. [44] IGN ranked Obito and Konan's fight the 11th-best battle in Naruto,[45] and ranked Obito's fight against Minato Namikaze the fourth-best in the series. Not that this matters cuz Obito's physicals actually scales way above this anyways, That was fast!! His best feat is arguably freezing Natsu and his flames: Freezing Natsu's hot flames is monstrous as it is, as Natsu's passive heat melted a multi-million ton coliseum constructed from solid rock and metal designed for superhuman mage battles. If it's all 6 paths of Pain they win. The Outer Path (外道, Gedō) is an ability granted to wielders of the Rinnegan, which affords them the power to control life and death. Obito takes this one. An Interview with Masashi Kishimoto", "GAMRs Ep 11 Extras - Optimoose Kaplan: Pre-show banter", "新ED『虹』一度見たら月読の世界に入るよ。これ。", "うちは一族フェアってことで。", "Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm Revolution Has Over 50 Mins. Whereas a far weaker Naruto's rasengan was able to kill Pain who's durability should scale above Bijuu's and send him far away, crashing to dozens of rocks, White Mask Obito without the Tailed Beasts is the form debated here, This is a CaV, vote for the one who made the better arguments, not which character you think wins, Votes that do not have their reasons or are bias will not be accepted, Please don't derail the topic with mini-conversations, Sun Village is located somewhere in the desert. Sci Fi Online enjoyed the handling of his, Rin and Kakashi's past, which had a major impact on the series' main storyline. Obito's a pushover and literally the worse villain of the series and the weakest link here. And we've seen Obito create massive Tornado flames in the war. So I really don't know where your getting, "He reacted to it", Even assuming that he reacted to it (He actually didn't and nor the spell was even close to light speed cuz Cana herself admitted that she couldn't use it to its maximum power output and Bluenote even questioned it) its a massive outlier cuz later speed feats of Fairy Tail comes nowhere near close light speed, He's strong enough to stop Gray's ice + physical attack with 1-arm, More like Invel was resistant to it, and later we actually see Invel get beat the shit out of Enraged Gray's bare hands it self. Kaplan had difficulty handling of both characters: his Obito persona and the real Madara. Coolers are typically at 0 Fahrenheit which is roughly 255 Kelvin, dry ice is 194 Kelvin. Building on that premise he's a 1-shot material for Invel. Konan uses her power against Obito finding a weakness and allowing her to crack his mask showing part of his face to her and his missing arm. This puts Invel's flash freeze at relativistic+, which is above Obito's perceptions. (Credits to @cyberblades22). Alr, looks like you didn’t consider any of Obito’s speed feats and reaction speeds, So I will go over it and prove you why Invel is pure fodder to the likes of Obito just like the rest of the spriggans are. Also another thing that's impressive is that Obito was able to combat both KCM Naruto, 6th Gate Guy and Sharingan Kakashi, all while not even getting touched. [25][26] He faces the forces of Naruto Uzumaki and his Tailed Beast, who stop the Six Paths of Pain and leave Obito to recover the Tailed Beasts and revive the Ten-Tails. On the brink of death, Obito opposes Madara, restrains Black Zetsu and keeps the parasite from returning to Madara with the Rinnegan. Let's read what Warrod said to understand the context: Silver's ice was so strong that it did not melt while exposed to direct sunlight and harsh desert conditions for a very long time, which speaks magnitudes of how cold the ice must have been. [2] His nickname (Tobi) comes from Obito calling him Guruguru (グルグル), an onomatopoeia for turning round and round or going around in circles. This led Kishimoto to change the series, giving the story a timeskip to when Naruto and his comrades would be able to face them. Also Obito doesn’t need freeze resistance to begin with, Rinnegan: Obito can use the six paths abilities, similar to how every Rinnegan user can use. Obito dies while shielding Naruto and Kakashi from Kaguya's attack; however, he thanks Naruto for reminding him of his true self. The real name of the pain is Nagato. So Yes Cana's spell was still incomplete, Secondly, if you pay attention, Bluenote actually crushed the Fairy glitter spell AFTER he got hit by it. When he and Kakashi rescue Rin when she is kidnapped by Hidden Stone Ninja during a mission, Obito's right side is crushed in a landslide. He is forced to first take out the guards watching over Kushina who is in labor, and allow time to get the Nine-Tails out of her. The same Boro's lava sparks who aren't even the size of a Shuriken instantly melted Stainless steel. That's PRETTY cold. [30][31] A guilty Obito tries to redeem himself by reviving everyone who died in the war, only to be possessed by Black Zetsu and forced to resurrect Madara instead. So just like how you said touching Invel is an auto-win, the same rule would apply to Obito as well, Invel would get his soul ripped off from Obito if he ever gets close. Even if somehow Obito was caught by flash freeze, Idk what’s stopping him from casually destroying the Ice with Large Island level AP Shinra Tensei. He served as the main antagonist in the Tale of Jiraiya The Gallant Arc, a major antagonist in the Six Tails Unleashed Arc and the main antagonist in the Pain's Assault Arc. Raikage scales above Darui in speed which Obito easily reacted by putting on intangitbility. Alongside the infamous Madara, he waged war against the Allied Shinobi Forces and nearly prevailed in the series' final arc.. RELATED: 10 Anime Characters Who Are Excellent Spies In spite of Obito's originality, there are a number of ways he could have … Let's go back to the instance where he flash froze Natsu, Lucy and Juvia: Flash freezing Natsu before he can process a though in itself is a speed feat better than anything you can give for Obito. Freezing tornados is impossible in physics, yes the elements mentioned have freezing points but freezing a tornado is completely impossible. So again, none of Invel's abilities would even work on Obito. And then one shot him. Pain - Pain's advantage is that he technically can't be killed and can regroup at a later time, unless Minato somehow makes a few leaps in logic and uncovers his secret. overall, he succeeds in his periodic mission. No worries, take your time mate. CV is broken, I never got a notif until someone actually told me the CaV started. Neil Kaplan first voiced Obito's Madara impersonation in the video game Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 2, because the CyberConnect2 fighting game's storyline was ahead of the television series. [49], Critics have noted Obito's role in the series. Obito, however, stated that he would return to that spot everyday until they understood and came to him willingly. Since thats literally their job to do so, hunt Bijuu's down. Konan won't let Obito know the location of Nagato’s body and begins to attack Obito as he tells her that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan, as he is still portraying Madara. Pierrot felt that the scene was a success. The dream of becoming Hokage was told When Naruto defeats Menma, Obito releases Naruto and Sakura and considers this mission a failure. Obito Uchiha (Japanese: うちは オビト, Hepburn: Uchiha Obito), also known by his alias Tobi (トビ), is a character in Masashi Kishimoto's manga Naruto.He is first introduced in a "Kakashi Chronicle" sidestory as a young ninja who sacrifices himself to save his friends (Kakashi Hatake and Rin Nohara, led by Minato Namikaze) from a rival group of ninjas. 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This is impressive because Kagura has been shown to lift an entire hill with the shockwave (10,000+ tons lifting feat) and in pre-time skip cut through multi-city blocks with the air pressure: Umm thats not a lifting feat buddy, its an AP slicing feat. That Haku was moving mirror to mirror at light speed. Raikage stated that Minato was the fastest Shinobi ever lived after getting his ass blitzed by Minato. [40] The sixth Part II film, Road to Ninja: Naruto the Movie (2012), features Obito in his Madara persona. Since he was reacting to KCM Naruto numerous times. I'll explain more the intangibility speed at speed section. He used Preta Path before on Kakashi who's cloak Kurama chakra disappears upon contact with Obitol. And Bijuu's itself are casually mountain level since their physicals scale above their own size.- A weaker Naruto casually overpowered Pains shinra tensei and sent him flying dozens of meters, -Obito was able to hurt Naruto hard enough to actually state that "He is so strong" Meaning Obito's physicals should indeed match KCM Naruto's if not higher, - No sold a Rasengan from KCM Naruto in his arm and barely did anything to him.Whereas a far weaker Naruto's rasengan was able to kill Pain who's durability should scale above Bijuu's and send him far away, crashing to dozens of rocks, Obito's Durability should scale to his Physicals and AP, since he can't output force that his Body can't survive, I'll Counter your Dry ice and Silver ice arguments. So he can soul rip Invel before he even recognizes or realized that he has been soul ripped. And Pain who scales way below Nagato was able to Destroy the whole Konoha village and the AP of that Attack was calced at bare minimum Island level 2 times (1 and 2). But he won't be frozen in the first place. Invel's first in-character move is always flash-freezing his opponent, as we saw he instantly did it with Natsu, Lucy and Juvia. And we know that shurikens are made out of Stainless steel.Stainless steel starts to melt at 1510 ℃ (2750 ℉) meanwhile common lava in our world (reality) reaches 600-1400 °C. Obito Uchiwa (うちはオビト, Uchiha Obito) était un membre du clan Uchiwa du village caché de Konoha et un membre de l'Équipe Minato aux côtés de Kakashi Hatake et de Rin Nohara. He traps Naruto and Sakura in an alternate world and manipulates Naruto's opposite persona, Menma. Nagato (in Japanese: 長門), better known as Pain (ペイン), is one of the main antagonists of the Naruto series. Thus this feat is also no quantifiable. If we go back to the Boro fight, We see Boro use Lava style and just small sparks of Lava were literally able to melt stainless steel almost instantly.

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